[Paul]

Oben rechts über dem Ribbon ist ein kleiner Pfeil - einmal draufgeklickt, schon ist es weg - sowohl bei Office, als auch beim Explorer ;-) Das mal dazu.

Ja, und jedesmal wenn ich eins der Untermenüs öffnen will isses wieder da. Nur weil das Ding regelmäßig ausgeblendet wird macht es die Bedienung nicht übersichtlicher, die Menüs sind immer noch absurd und chaotisch gestaltet. Also zumindest bei Office, Virus8 hab ich nach den massiven Slowdowns auf meinem System nicht mehr installiert. Und sogar bei Office verwende ich immer noch die 2003er-Version, weil das die letzte war die noch ein vernünftiges Interface besessen hat, ich hock nur grad an nem Uni-PC, da haben wir Zugriff auf die 2010er-Version. Ich hab auch beim standardmäßig mitgelieferten WordPad und MS Paint von Windows 7 einen Rollback auf die Vista-Version gemacht, weil die Dinger sonst nicht zu gebrauchen waren.

Naja, gibt halt Leute die Win8 mögen, die Win8 nicht mögen und die Win8 nicht mögen wollen.

Ich mag Virus8 nicht nur nicht, ich verabscheue es und alles was es symbolisiert. Auf der einen Seite das Aufzwingen eines Bediensystems das partout nicht für Maus und Tastatur ausgelegt ist. Auf der anderen Seite die Dreistigkeit der Entwickler einem vorschreiben zu wollen, wie man seinen Computer einzurichten hat. Sogar Win7 hatte den Classic Mode und diverse Optionen zur Veränderung der Benutzeroberfläche. Mir steht die neumodische Einstellung der Hersteller "Wir bestimmen was dir zu gefallen hat" bis zum Hals. Das beschränkt sich jetzt nicht nur auf Microsoft, sowas hat inzwischen überall Einzug gehalten. Siehe Apple. Um wieder auf Windows zurückzukommen, die Tatsache dass Stardock Zehntausende von 5$ Programmen verkauft hat die das Startmenü zurückbringen, spricht Bände. Und dabei sind die Downloads der Shareware-Versionen oder die von Konkurrenten noch gar nicht mit einbezogen.

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EDIT: Ich les mir grad die Comments von dem Artikel durch, und einige davon sind so gut geschrieben, die verdienen fast schon einen Pulitzer-Preis:

Wait, its not even free?

So let me get this straight, all the Windows 8 supporters keep going on and on about how great the UI is, but yet, "tens of thousands" of people hate it enough to download an app they have to pay $5 for to remove it?

Even further than that, the supporters keep arguing that you could always install Start8.... but despite not having anything to say when I bring up that you shouldn't need to hack an OS with 3rd party programs in order to make the UI functional, Start8 isn't even FREE? So they are suggesting to install a 3rd party OS hack that costs $5 JUST to get rid of the new UI?

And thousands purchased this thing anyway?

I really don't see how those still supporting the Metro UI on keyboard/mouse setups even have a leg to stand on now.

But hey, its just a small hissy-fit over a UI change, right? I mean, people reacted the same over Vista and yet that still was massively popular and took off right? Nobody was downgrading to XP or even had vendors offering XP downgrades from how much people hated it, right?

And clearly, its all because people hate change, right? I mean, its not like Windows 7 was a huge success and the majority of Vista haters loved it, nope, 7 was a total flop because it was different from XP, despite forcing the new start menu while Vista let you use the classic XP one.

Yes, I HAVE tried Windows8, I have been using the damn thing since February, its still loaded on my laptop, although I can going to remove it in favor of 7 very soon. I hate it, my friends hate it, my parents hate it, nearly everyone I have shown it to hates it. Lots of people hate it despite "trying" it, you act as if most of the people who hate it have never even used it.

Face it, the Metro UI sucks.

Yeah, the biggest issue is the lack of ability to create "nested folder" start items. At least, not in any intuitive and straightforward manner.

My start menu is broken up by functional areas, then by subfunctional areas, and then program... with each program folder having subfolders for documents and so forth and for utilities and so forth.

I can do anything I want, in a logical and straightforward manner, in mere seconds, with literally thousands of options available to me within a few clicks.

That is how I choose to work. I've worked that way before Win9x... using Norton Commander.. in a DOS environment. I've worked that way using the Win9x varieties, the WinXP varieties, plus BeOS, several flavors of Linus... and I have set up my Android portable to work that way as well.

So... when MS tells me "you can't do that anymore," I tell MS where they can shove their dictates. The customer is always right, and nobody but the customer should have a say in how the customer uses their technology.

As soon as this application is mature, I MAY consider using Win8... if I have to, or if there's some compelling reason to.

But MS really does need to "re-learn" what they've had to learn several times now... THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. Find out what the customer wants, and give them what they want. Oh, and NOT EVERY CUSTOMER IS ALIKE, SO GIVE THE CUSTOMER OPTIONS.

It's nothing but ego-driven arrogance for them to try to "force" us down a path that we don't necessarily want to follow.

Win8 is a smartphone/tablet OS, not a PC OS. This is a kludge to help it work on a hardware platform it's really not designed to run on.

No, its not "actually better." It's DIFFERENT. But different doesn't necessarily mean "better."

There are infinite ways of using a computer... every user has their own preferred way of doing things. Why should anyone conclude that their preferred way is the one everyone else on the planet HAS TO USE?

Let MS provide "Metro" as an option... and let the user choose. If the users prefer it, maybe it can be phased in as the primary interface later. And if the users disllike it, let it be shuffled off quietly, without any fuss. (Like "Windows Search"... which can't find files I'm actually looking at AT THE TIME... on my machine,)

Freedom of choice... open options for users to use their systems as they see fit, not as someone else tells them "they must all be alike, and as we command."

How is that a bad thing?

Or maybe the new UI sucks with a keyboard and mouse? Because I promise you I did indeed "figure out" all the elements when you position the cursor are different areas and points of the screen. Its still garbage.

Maybe, just maybe, people DO genuinely hate the UI and its not all a giant case of denial because they don't "get it"? Maybe, just maybe, the people who use Windows8 actually know what they are doing (after all, what computer newbie would install a beta OS months before it came out) and not every case, or even most cases, of people not liking it are a case of user error or incompetence?

You are counting a small fraction - Classic Start, ViStart are just a couple of additional FREE UI's not counted in your miscalculation. Then there is the percentage of people who don't know about getting a better start menu than the Metro one. Then you have people who bought new computers but put Windows 7 on it instead for gaming functionality denied in Windows 8. Then you have the fact that Ballmer is DOCUMENTED as lying about license sales with Vista to try and create the impression it was selling well - you don't think he'd do that with Windows 8 do you?

Misery likes Company. Ich bin grad froh drum, Leute zu treffen die ein OS noch zum Arbeiten benutzen wollen, anstatt es als Videospiel zu mißbrauchen.